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okay now for our interview with wayne

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weingarten congratulations on uh

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the new book which i guess was just came

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out recently right it just came out it

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was a co-authored book by

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the four of us and i i thought one of

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the great things about this book is we

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all come from different perspectives so

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we were able to take a kind of a

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multi-disciplinary look at the homeless

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problem really try to understand where

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it came from

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and by understanding what drives it come

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up with actual solutions

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to to you know help help alleviate the

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problem

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so um yeah i mean obviously you're

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hoping to affect

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public policy with this book although

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in california good luck with that

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yeah well you know i i think there's a

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lot of good luck with that with

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california policies quite frankly but

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that's that's our goal i think you know

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remember the

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tax revolution of the 80s started in

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california with prop

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13. so you know my hope is you know we

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we've got to keep talking about what the

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right solutions are

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you know free market solutions to

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address these problems to to use

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government effectively but not have

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uh be the the answer and uh you know

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if we keep pushing we keep researching

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keep educating

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uh we can get there yeah i'm an optimist

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the california people

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are on your side they've proven that by

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how they voted in the recent

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ballot initiatives in november where

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they voted conservatively on like five

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things things like rent control and so

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on that they vote down

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and affirmative action that they vote

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down so

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it's the politicians that aren't

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listening

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right and so that's you know but if you

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have the people

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you'll eventually get the politicians

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yeah that's that's my hope

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and voting that rent control is

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incredibly important for homelessness

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right yeah we'll get into all that and

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you know california may have a

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very important election coming up if the

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recall thing happens which

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appears to be on course right now yeah

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as far as i know yeah exactly on course

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so we've we've covered homelessness a

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little bit on the show i've written

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about it a couple times uh for fox

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um so you know it used to be

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california's number one issue before

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covid and it was going to be the issue i

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think that was going to define newsome's

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governorship as far as you know whether

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everybody was going to see what he did

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on homelessness and

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covet of course you know sucks the air

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out of everything else and now

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everything's about covet and of course

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he's now he's being judged on

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how he did with covid um but before

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covid it was all about homelessness and

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the problem has only gotten worse

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i see it firsthand here in venice where

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for sure the worst it's ever been since

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i've been seeing venice for 30 years

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um so the the the

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the need for the book is clearly there

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and the need for solutions is there

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kind of starting from the beginning i

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and the reason i say that is i've heard

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differently your average person like me

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who thinks of homeless thinks of these

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people that are sleeping on the streets

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in venice and on the sidewalks and on

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the beach and so on

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but i've heard definitions that are much

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broader than that

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and it's anybody who doesn't have a

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that that person is defined as homeless

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if you did you guys nailed down a

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specific definition of homeless and

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california or out of la county and so on

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you know who is being included in these

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their their accounts of people out on

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at the time that they did the count uh

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the 2020 that was 161 000 people

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in california that were living on the

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living with their sister for let's say

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the situational homeless and so helping

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affordability we would help

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that group as well but that's not where

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that that is part of the process and

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homeless no we would call people who

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economic reason or life event reason

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a divorce a health and health issue that

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someone who's homeless because of mental

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people who would respond to positive

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uh issues that you have to deal with in

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okay so how do you break down those

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well i think one of the great things in

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the book we all didn't agree on

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data and this is really interesting

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going down in california just like it

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control so 2014 is a big year because

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all of those drivers for both mental

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gotten worse in 2014 so when i was on my

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affordability if you go with the basic

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financial recommendation that about 30

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percent of your gross income should be

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little above that in california but it

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incredible amount of your income has to

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financially vulnerable at that same time

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substance abuse and uh addicted so we

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hospitals that could help them so you

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sure you would agree with these and tell

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missing but but affordable housing being

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number one that i think you've just

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alluded to it but curious your thoughts

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build it they will come you allow

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something it will happen if it's

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not allowed then people have to

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do something else they have to figure

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out something else now they may wind up

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in jail but they also may wind up in a

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they also may wind up sleeping with a

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reaching out and finding solutions but

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when you make an easy solution

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sleeping on the sidewalk or by the beach

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by the way a lot of people like living

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at venice beach the homes are 10 million

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dollars each to live on the beach

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so you know i know it maybe it sounds

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some people may call me callous to say

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how could you suggest sleeping outside

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is is something that people would want

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um you know there's a reason why there's

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a thousand people sleeping on the beach

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in venice they choose venice beach

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it's a a nice place to be

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um but i i think the allowing it

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thing which is a change that i'm sure

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you're familiar with i'd like to hear

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your thoughts on in the past

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tarkowski he was a he's a lawyer

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uh and he goes through this very

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carefully talking about

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uh how the legal environment has changed

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uh and you would literally you know 1800

288
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run people out of town

289
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and how that's evolved into and i don't

290
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know if you were referring to

291
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the the boise decision at the 9th

292
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circuit which is

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essentially creating and i think it is

294
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actually

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creating a right to live on the streets

296
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that didn't

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exist before and that is a very

298
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important

299
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cause because now you had a situation

300
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where law enforcement

301
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they really can't you know have someone

302
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who is sleeping on the streets

303
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violative agency laws unless you can be

304
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certain that there's a bed available for

305
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that

306
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person you can't move them and they

307
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don't have the information to know

308
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whether or not there is a bed available

309
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and so it's evolved into that

310
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essential right you know effective i

311
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should say right to live on the street

312
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uh and when you combine that with other

313
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legal changes like prop 47

314
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where you can eat you know essentially

315
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steal

316
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and you can still up to 950 to be a

317
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misdemeanor

318
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and so people aren't going to enforce it

319
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the cops aren't enforcing it

320
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and so now not only do you have a right

321
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to live on the street but you have a

322
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means to support a drug habit

323
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and so if you're addicted and your

324
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addiction has led you

325
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to the streets but you're you're happy

326
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sleeping on the beach or wherever it

327
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might

328
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be and you have a means to get money to

329
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feed your addiction

330
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we've now enabled a destructive

331
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lifestyle

332
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whereas uh if you had a different system

333
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that

334
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writes a lot about which is

335
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that we're using we we've gotten rid of

336
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these asylums

337
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because they were awful places and

338
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needed to perform

339
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but what we've done and said is just

340
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throwing people on the street and

341
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um instead of being in a mental

342
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institution that could help them you're

343
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either going to jail

344
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or living on the street or you know

345
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perhaps in a shelter bed but you're

346
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cycling along to those areas and we're

347
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not actually helping people

348
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with a mental illness kind of address

349
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those mental illness or address their

350
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addiction

351
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so it's it's enabling that destructive

352
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lifestyle

353
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that created the wrong type of positive

354
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incentive right retain a positive

355
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incentive

356
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to be homeless on the street which is

357
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the exact opposite of what we want to do

358
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yeah just so people are aware and i have

359
00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:29,760
talked about it before but yeah this

360
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boise decision

361
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basically said that it is cruel and

362
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unusual punishment

363
00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:39,279
to i guess imprison or find

364
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someone um for sleeping on the street

365
00:11:47,350 --> 00:11:44,000
unless you can show that the

366
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state is providing housing

367
00:11:50,150 --> 00:11:48,959
available housing for this person so

368
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it's really as you're pointing it's

369
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putting an

370
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obligation on the government to house

371
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all of its citizens because unless

372
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you've got that available for them

373
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they are allowed to sleep wherever they

374
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want to sleep and you can't protect your

375
00:12:10,310 --> 00:12:06,399
parks

376
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you can't protect your sidewalks etc

377
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to allow families to enjoy them

378
00:12:16,550 --> 00:12:15,920
you know you you can't walk your kid

379
00:12:18,310 --> 00:12:16,560
down the

380
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streets in venice right now it's not

381
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safe to take your children

382
00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:22,480
to venice so this beach that's supposed

383
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to be there for the public to enjoy

384
00:12:29,829 --> 00:12:27,920
we cannot enjoy because

385
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under this court ruling los angeles

386
00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:31,680
doesn't have enough housing to house

387
00:12:34,949 --> 00:12:33,040
everybody for free

388
00:12:36,629 --> 00:12:34,959
and therefore they have to be allowed to

389
00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:36,639
sleep on the sidewalks

390
00:12:40,310 --> 00:12:39,519
yeah it it it really does and and that

391
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was one of the things

392
00:12:44,150 --> 00:12:42,399
and joseph does a wonderful job going

393
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through this but you see this legal

394
00:12:48,310 --> 00:12:45,200
evolution

395
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which you could say in my opinion it was

396
00:12:51,829 --> 00:12:49,680
way too

397
00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:51,839
harsh on the one end but as opposed to

398
00:12:55,509 --> 00:12:53,440
finding a reasonable place where

399
00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:55,519
we can actually help people we've we

400
00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:57,120
swung the pendulum

401
00:13:02,710 --> 00:13:00,800
completely to the other side so

402
00:13:04,389 --> 00:13:02,720
what do we see in other countries as far

403
00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:04,399
as the extent of the homeless problem

404
00:13:08,550 --> 00:13:05,440
versus

405
00:13:10,069 --> 00:13:08,560
us and in particular california and

406
00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:10,079
what what are the solutions that you see

407
00:13:13,509 --> 00:13:11,920
out there that other countries or other

408
00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:13,519
states are doing that that

409
00:13:17,269 --> 00:13:15,440
california needs to adopt you know i

410
00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:17,279
mean we focus mostly on other states

411
00:13:21,509 --> 00:13:18,880
rather than other countries

412
00:13:23,190 --> 00:13:21,519
and it's since it's such a

413
00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:23,200
multi-dimensional problem

414
00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:24,480
the the solutions have to be

415
00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:25,760
multi-dimensional i think that's the

416
00:13:28,150 --> 00:13:26,399
first

417
00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:28,160
thing we have to realize there's no easy

418
00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:29,760
solution there's no

419
00:13:33,990 --> 00:13:32,639
silver bullet uh that oh you know this

420
00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:34,000
needs to do this one thing and we'll

421
00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:35,600
have it solved

422
00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:38,880
i think we need to address each uh

423
00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:41,760
cause uh and target that cause target

424
00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:43,360
the regulations that are

425
00:13:46,470 --> 00:13:45,760
are driving up costs and leading these

426
00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:46,480
outcomes

427
00:13:49,990 --> 00:13:48,880
we definitely need legal reform and then

428
00:13:52,949 --> 00:13:50,000
we also need to

429
00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:52,959
leverage the private sector there's some

430
00:13:57,910 --> 00:13:54,800
brilliant non-profits

431
00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:57,920
that do a much better job of sustainably

432
00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:59,040
helping people

433
00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:00,480
one that we highlight in the book it's

434
00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:02,639
called shelters to shutters it's

435
00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:06,000
it's actually um headquartered in vienna

436
00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:06,959
virginia

437
00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:08,959
and they they focus more on the

438
00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:10,240
situational homeless

439
00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:12,959
where uh they instead of just giving

440
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:14,160
someone who's homeless

441
00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:16,800
a place to stay they focus on getting

442
00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:18,320
them a job

443
00:14:23,990 --> 00:14:21,519
uh so that again you're creating a

444
00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:24,000
sustainable path for them so it's not

445
00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:25,680
that they're just in a home but they now

446
00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:26,320
have

447
00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:29,199
a way to actually you know pay for their

448
00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:30,480
home and to kind of

449
00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:34,079
re re-engage in society uh and re-engage

450
00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:35,440
kind of get back on that path to

451
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:36,480
prosperity

452
00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:40,000
uh and so that holistic um perspective

453
00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:41,440
a lot of the private nonprofits are able

454
00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:43,279
to take that and they're also much more

455
00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:44,160
flexible

456
00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:46,320
right so that they they're able to learn

457
00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:47,199
they're able to

458
00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:50,959
uh adopt their policies to fit the needs

459
00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:53,440
of of the particular homeless population

460
00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:54,160
they're serving

461
00:14:57,189 --> 00:14:55,440
the government programs just don't

462
00:14:59,350 --> 00:14:57,199
demonstrate that type of

463
00:15:01,030 --> 00:14:59,360
flexibility that type of innovation so

464
00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:01,040
one of the things we suggest is

465
00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:02,800
to provide services we have to rely more

466
00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:04,240
on the nonprofits

467
00:15:07,269 --> 00:15:06,720
yeah how do we how do we encourage that

468
00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:07,279
because

469
00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:09,040
you know i've always said that you know

470
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:11,040
the best type of charity

471
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:14,320
is is not coming from the government but

472
00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:16,079
but good old-fashioned charities that

473
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:18,000
the local churches

474
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:20,560
um you know keeping things local where

475
00:15:24,069 --> 00:15:21,040
you really

476
00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:24,079
understand the issues in your community

477
00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:25,920
i mean trying to set solutions that come

478
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:27,839
from sacramento or dc

479
00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:30,240
when every community's problem is so

480
00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:31,279
different just

481
00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:32,800
doesn't work here where i live in

482
00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:34,480
pacific palisades i've talked about

483
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,199
before

484
00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:37,440
a little local group was set up with

485
00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:39,519
donations from local homeowners because

486
00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:41,600
people don't like to step over homeless

487
00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:43,680
people as you're walking to the beach

488
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:46,160
and it's an outreach program and they

489
00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:46,959
have like

490
00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:49,839
six full-time staff that all they do is

491
00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:52,160
talk to the homeless every single day

492
00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:53,920
trying to build their trust

493
00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:55,199
understanding their issue

494
00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:57,440
and then ultimately encouraging them and

495
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:58,639
getting them to

496
00:16:02,230 --> 00:16:00,639
agree that yes i'll go into a shelter

497
00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:02,240
and then they find the shelter for them

498
00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:03,600
and then they even follow up with them

499
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:05,040
on the shelter and guess what

500
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:06,880
homelessness in pacific palisades is

501
00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:08,160
down 50

502
00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:10,079
whereas it's up everywhere else in the

503
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,440
city of los angeles

504
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:13,600
in pacific palisades is actually down 50

505
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:14,880
as a result of this

506
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:17,759
little group of five or six people

507
00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:19,600
working

508
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:21,680
and that's exactly those programs that

509
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,440
type of positive incentives that's

510
00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:25,120
those are the successes you see

511
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:26,720
elsewhere they're implementing those

512
00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:28,000
types of programs there's a

513
00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:30,639
a day room that it's out of kentucky uh

514
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:32,480
which has been very successful where

515
00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:34,720
they provide services that homeless

516
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:37,199
people would need a shower

517
00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:38,800
ability to plug in a phone things of

518
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:40,720
that nature but they use that

519
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:41,920
interaction

520
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:44,480
as a as a as a way to interact with the

521
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:45,279
homeless

522
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:47,199
and to get them to the services they

523
00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:49,519
need so you you you provide

524
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:52,959
a means to have a positive connection

525
00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:55,040
and you that then gets them to the

526
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,480
services they need

527
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:58,399
helps obviously the homeless because now

528
00:17:02,230 --> 00:16:59,600
they can move on to

529
00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:02,240
and uh and address their own issues and

530
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,279
kind of get back

531
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:05,520
uh into shelter and obviously helps the

532
00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:06,880
community helps the economy

533
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:08,799
so it's really a win-win situation

534
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:09,679
you're talking about what can the

535
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:10,480
government do

536
00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:12,880
part of it is outsource the shelters too

537
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:13,839
so that you know

538
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,760
you have said the government running

539
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,360
shelters

540
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:19,679
use that money to support the private

541
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,919
shelters

542
00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:24,240
yeah it's just you know it's the never

543
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:25,919
let a good crisis go to waste

544
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:27,919
mentality it seems that the left likes

545
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:29,600
to follow and

546
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:32,400
rather than common sense solutions

547
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:33,840
they're going to use this as an

548
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:35,600
opportunity to implement

549
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:37,200
pet policies that couldn't be

550
00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:38,720
implemented otherwise so

551
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:40,960
that's right if it's paying policy

552
00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:42,000
crisis

553
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:44,720
so rent control is something that you

554
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:45,280
see

555
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:48,320
that comes out as a solution

556
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:51,679
to the homeless problem um building more

557
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:52,880
affordable housing

558
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:56,080
government housing as a solution to the

559
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:57,200
homeless problem these

560
00:18:01,430 --> 00:18:00,240
big government policies coming out of dc

561
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:01,440
and sacramento

562
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:03,760
right and one of the things you see is

563
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:05,440
that those are just ineffective

564
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,799
the the affordable housing it costs so

565
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,480
much to build affordable housing because

566
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,000
of all the regulations

567
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:14,000
because of the zoning regulations you

568
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:15,919
can't get anything built for years

569
00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:18,559
if we have 161 000 people on the streets

570
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:19,600
of california

571
00:18:23,110 --> 00:18:22,080
and it takes four years or five years or

572
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,120
whatever it takes

573
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:25,679
to build uh affordable housing how is

574
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:28,320
that a solution in here and now i mean

575
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:31,919
it it's it's um they're great talking

576
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:32,559
points

577
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:35,200
and i think one of the things that the

578
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:36,160
the left

579
00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:38,080
the progressives have mastered is

580
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,000
getting their policies judged

581
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:42,559
based on the intentions it's the how's

582
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:43,600
everyone act

583
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:45,120
and we're going to base it judge it

584
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:47,200
based on the name of the act

585
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,240
not are you actually housing people

586
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,720
and so that and when you base it on that

587
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:53,840
rent control

588
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:57,360
it it reduces the supply of housing and

589
00:19:00,549 --> 00:18:59,440
increases the cost of housing and leads

590
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:00,559
to more homelessness

591
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:02,640
so if you're going to expand rent

592
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,760
control as

593
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:05,600
a solution to homelessness all you're

594
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,640
going to do is increase the number of

595
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:08,160
homeless people

596
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:10,160
you know sequa right it's supposed to be

597
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:11,200
there to help

598
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:13,679
with the environment it's the biggest

599
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:14,559
barrier

600
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:17,200
we have right now in the states to build

601
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,080
housing

602
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,320
and it's a huge cost increase and it's a

603
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:21,919
huge time delay

604
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:25,120
if we don't reform things of that nature

605
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,559
affordable housing will continue to be

606
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,240
an oxymoron

607
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:30,080
in the state and you won't solve the

608
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:31,520
homeless problem

609
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:32,960
yeah well that's what they're doing

610
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:35,200
they're they're building housing for the

611
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:36,880
homeless i think it's coming out to

612
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,320
a cost of about 700 000 per

613
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:43,039
you know one or two bedroom apartment

614
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:43,679
and you know

615
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,880
more expensive than the average

616
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,640
apartment in the cities yeah well look

617
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:48,000
anytime the government

618
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:50,000
builds something you can assume there's

619
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,160
going to be massive inefficiency

620
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,919
not to mention likely corruption as far

621
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,600
as who gets the work and

622
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,760
the payoff to politicians from these

623
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:58,960
companies and then you know

624
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:01,520
to campaign contributions and all kinds

625
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:02,799
of nonsense

626
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:06,080
and then where do they build it they

627
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:07,280
build the shelter

628
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,400
right in the heart of venice

629
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,960
one block from the beach and their

630
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:14,240
answer is well that's

631
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,440
because that's where all the homeless

632
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:17,520
are we're gonna build it there

633
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:20,159
but mike you chose the most expensive

634
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,039
real estate

635
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:23,360
in the city of los angeles not to

636
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,400
mention

637
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:26,320
one of our biggest tourist destinations

638
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:27,760
for los angeles

639
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:30,559
and right in the center of venice you're

640
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,360
they're building

641
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,760
this massive homeless shelter as opposed

642
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:35,039
to putting it in

643
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:39,120
a far less expensive area of los angeles

644
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,400
you would almost be better off just

645
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:43,200
selling those units off as a private

646
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:46,320
apartment to fund two shelters more

647
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,600
inland

648
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,200
now that's that's spoken like a real

649
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,360
free market economist

650
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:53,120
you're right those would go for two

651
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,640
million dollars each

652
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,799
based on the location of this thing

653
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,080
right and that's

654
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:59,520
that's the government ways that's why we

655
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,919
need again outsourcing to private

656
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:03,919
nonprofits so we get away from

657
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,600
that type of nonsense the more it's

658
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,200
funding uh you know

659
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,200
the private groups the less waste it's

660
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,799
going to be and they can focus the

661
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:12,080
government can focus on

662
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,679
managing the contracts government's very

663
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:15,600
good at giving away money

664
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,679
let them focus on what they're good at

665
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:19,120
and that the organizations that have

666
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,640
demonstrated ability

667
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:22,880
to actually help the homeless have the

668
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:25,760
resources to do what's necessary

669
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:28,880
so as you kind of tick through

670
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,360
the various causes and then therefore

671
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:33,280
the solutions

672
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,640
again i i mean i don't know if you agree

673
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:36,320
with me i think the number one thing is

674
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,440
the fact that we

675
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:40,000
that we allow it um but you know at

676
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,280
least california and some of these

677
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:42,799
western states were under this court

678
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,360
ruling

679
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,799
that says that you have to have

680
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:46,960
sufficient housing in order to

681
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,480
enforce no sleeping on the sidewalk so

682
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:53,520
how do we traverse that well

683
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,559
one thing is to san diego has a very

684
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,120
innovative kind of tent uh shelter which

685
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:01,200
is more of a temporary shelter

686
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,400
and you have the climate to be able to

687
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:04,880
do that and

688
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,880
we need to leverage law enforcement

689
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,159
officers better

690
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,799
so that they actually are aware of where

691
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:11,600
the beds are

692
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:14,320
so that even within this straight ruling

693
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,520
if they are aware

694
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:18,159
where some shelter beds are then you

695
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:18,720
know

696
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:21,919
within that restrictive legal kind of

697
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,640
ruling

698
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,880
you could still have take away that

699
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,480
right to sleep on the street because

700
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,880
you've met that requirement so there is

701
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:29,600
in

702
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,280
dollars a year

703
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,440
cleaning up the streets if we could

704
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:37,600
devote that money to actual shelters and

705
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,480
i know there's a

706
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,559
transition issue that needs to be

707
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,320
bridged but you could

708
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,960
create beds with the amount of money

709
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:46,640
that you're actually funding in

710
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,600
uh the cleanup and then from there

711
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:51,039
you're gonna be complicit with the

712
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,840
ruling

713
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,679
uh you know and i would actually turn to

714
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,120
you i'm not a lawyer but

715
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,799
i i think there has to be a way that

716
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,960
this issue gets challenged

717
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,720
uh maybe ideally there's a ruling in a

718
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,559
different uh circuit

719
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,159
that contradicts so it can go up to the

720
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,559
supreme court uh but

721
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,960
we you know ideally we need this ruling

722
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,760
reversed

723
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,679
because it's dropped so much harder it's

724
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,120
a horrendous ruling

725
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:15,120
it's by an appellate court so it's going

726
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,640
to be hard to get it

727
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:18,000
overturned in the ninth circuit i think

728
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:19,200
you're right you probably need another

729
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,559
circuit to rule

730
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,720
the other way uh interestingly the city

731
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,159
of los angeles actually

732
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,039
joined in the appeal in an attempt to

733
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,559
get it to the supreme court

734
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,640
uh because as liberals los angeles is

735
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:32,480
even it realized that this is

736
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:36,080
kind of an untenable uh requirement uh

737
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,200
part of their issue is just

738
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,880
how do you even demonstrate that we've

739
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,480
got enough and how you measure that

740
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,600
because the number of homeless is

741
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,200
constantly changing and how much housing

742
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:44,960
you've got is constantly changing

743
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,159
um but yeah in in the interim

744
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:51,120
i guess we need to put together you know

745
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,480
some type of very short-term housing

746
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,840
you're saying that san diego was able to

747
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:54,880
do it through

748
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,000
through kind of a tent city but

749
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,880
if we got there then what are what are

750
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:01,600
you and your

751
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:04,159
team suggesting as far as police

752
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,960
interaction

753
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,640
with these people that are sleeping on

754
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,080
the sidewalk so you know

755
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,640
the rule is you know after sundown you

756
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:12,000
can't be on the sidewalk you can't be

757
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:13,360
loitering you can't be on the beach you

758
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,000
can't be

759
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,600
etc

760
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,679
so it would require the police to come

761
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:20,720
in and then

762
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,400
they would do what arrest them

763
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,279
well i think these are the very

764
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:28,799
difficult questions that we face right i

765
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,360
mean

766
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,960
are you going to have a scene of cobs

767
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:33,760
dragging people off of the beach

768
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:36,559
um and are we willing to withstand that

769
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:36,799
i

770
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,240
know

771
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,640
for instance and this again takes uh a

772
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,440
legal change

773
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:46,080
but if prop 47 were repealed and i know

774
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:46,880
we just

775
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,919
lost uh on on that issue but if we were

776
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,679
somehow to be able to repeal it

777
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,320
and you had somebody that stole five six

778
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,760
seven hundred dollars worth of

779
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,320
of goods charging with a felony but an

780
00:25:01,350 --> 00:25:00,480
idea which which i'm personally in favor

781
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,360
of which i think

782
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,400
could be very impactful and actually

783
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,320
the aba supports it as well which is the

784
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,080
idea of homeless courts

785
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,440
so that instead of going through the

786
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,320
legal system you go to a homeless court

787
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,320
which could actually sentence quote

788
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,440
unquote uh

789
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,440
somebody to treatment so if you have a

790
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:18,799
substance abuse issue

791
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,520
um instead of and if you've stolen using

792
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,200
that as an opportunity

793
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,200
just like we have a positive incentive

794
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,120
with the the day beds

795
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:29,360
use the negative interaction as an

796
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,240
opportunity

797
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,720
to get them into treatment so that you

798
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,559
you're sentencing them to treatment

799
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:37,360
if they successfully complete it then

800
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,080
you can

801
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:41,360
um expunge their record and hopefully

802
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,080
that then

803
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:44,240
in a position where they can re-engage

804
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,120
in society

805
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:47,520
and get back on on track and get their

806
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,240
lives

807
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,400
moving forward as opposed to being them

808
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,320
stuck in that in that drug addiction

809
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,960
and because you expunge their record uh

810
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,520
it's not

811
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,440
a a black mark that sticks with them

812
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,559
forever uh

813
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,799
so i think being innovative in that way

814
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:02,880
could help alleviate the problem

815
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,960
uh without having that you know

816
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,720
you can imagine the the cameras going

817
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:10,559
off of people being dragged off the

818
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,279
beats and

819
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:14,559
uh avoiding that type of situation yeah

820
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,600
essentially kind of a traffic court for

821
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:20,240
for homeless which you know i do think

822
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,640
that's

823
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:23,360
a good idea um i mean i imagine in the

824
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,000
past that

825
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,559
we've arrested people i i think what

826
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,760
they've been doing lately at least

827
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:28,960
before this decision was they would

828
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:31,440
first issue a ticket

829
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,039
and but then of course the person never

830
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,559
appears right

831
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,960
so then i guess what you would do is

832
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,480
well if they don't appear

833
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,120
and then they find them again now it's

834
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,480
time to be arrested you gave them an

835
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:43,600
opportunity to go

836
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,880
voluntarily um i have an anecdotal story

837
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:48,240
of a guy who used to do

838
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,840
a bunch of work for me just kind of a

839
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,360
handyman kind of guy

840
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:54,240
and wound up with a major drug addiction

841
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,039
and

842
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,720
is sleeping out in the streets because

843
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,880
of his drug addiction

844
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,360
um and that i can attest to a thousand

845
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,000
percent this guy had plenty of work

846
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:07,520
uh as a handyman um but he got hooked on

847
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,039
methamphetamine and

848
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:14,240
the i saw him in his deranged condition

849
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,640
it's

850
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:17,200
not pretty um in his family he's got

851
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,640
four children

852
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,600
and a wife and parents and um they don't

853
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,640
know where he is

854
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,000
he's out on the street and the father

855
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,919
goes out looking for him every day and

856
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,760
sometimes he does find him but he can't

857
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,440
get the police he wants the police to

858
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,960
arrest him

859
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,720
because it's actually worked before when

860
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,080
he was arrested and then

861
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,399
spent 30 days in jail he got clean and

862
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,840
sober

863
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,039
and that was the only way he was going

864
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,279
to clean the sober so the father wants

865
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,039
that to happen but he

866
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,240
he can't get his kid arrested yeah

867
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,000
and and that's what we we need to use

868
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:50,000
the legal system and sometimes you need

869
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,120
a negative stick

870
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:53,200
right sometimes you need that negative

871
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,159
interaction

872
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,159
to help people because they're just not

873
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,080
in a position to help themselves

874
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,480
and i think that's a very important part

875
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:01,760
of the solution

876
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,960
is you call it tough love but you need

877
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,399
to actually

878
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:09,520
you know use the breaking of the law

879
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,880
and the lawlessness as as a means to uh

880
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,399
to get the people into a system that can

881
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,200
help them yeah and we got to somehow

882
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,880
wrestle these people up to help

883
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:20,320
themselves again if you make it

884
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,760
comfortable

885
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,159
to sleep in a sleeping bag you know then

886
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,760
your

887
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,919
drug addiction lifestyle or whatever

888
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,760
your lifestyle is just that much easier

889
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:30,799
to

890
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,880
stirred up a bit

891
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:37,039
by police interaction or whatever it

892
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,480
just seems to me that they're more

893
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,240
can be more inclined to find a solution

894
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,760
perhaps even on their own

895
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,200
that the government doesn't need to

896
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:44,799
solve it for them but

897
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:47,919
if you could get them clean or at least

898
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:48,559
get them

899
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,600
realizing that i can't stay here

900
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,000
um you know they have family members

901
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,600
somewhere

902
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,520
most likely family members that probably

903
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,279
kind of gave up on them

904
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,880
you know i mean just to go back to this

905
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:02,159
anecdotal story because i'm sure it's

906
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,440
not anecdotal

907
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,840
um the family gave up on this guy

908
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,960
because

909
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,799
you know he kept going back to the drugs

910
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,000
he kept going back

911
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,600
and he's you know around the house and

912
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,039
he's in front of the children

913
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,799
and the wife doesn't want him exhibiting

914
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,720
these babies and he's you know

915
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,520
uh abusive to her and so on and they

916
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,120
just get tired of it

917
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:23,200
and they're done with it so this is a

918
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,880
this is a loving family that this guy

919
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,399
comes from but he

920
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,720
is homeless and out in the streets in

921
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:30,320
the family basically other than the

922
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:31,440
father

923
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:34,880
is just wants to be rid of him right

924
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,080
well and that again that's why you need

925
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,399
the law enforcement to come in but

926
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,320
family in other situations can be

927
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,360
some a very important lifeline uh and

928
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,640
that's one thing we actually talk about

929
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,720
the book one thing we recommend which is

930
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,760
reuniting homeless with the family take

931
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:53,279
the father in your instance

932
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:56,159
if you could actually connect this

933
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,600
person with his father

934
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,679
maybe he could have a better shot at

935
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,240
helping him getting him enrolled into a

936
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:04,080
a rehab center something along those

937
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,360
lines so

938
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,640
using the family as a bridge and as a

939
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,320
means to help the people

940
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,000
is the strategy we need to be pursuing

941
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:13,679
because everybody's different and

942
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,399
everybody's

943
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,240
situation is different and that's the

944
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,240
way the flexibility has to come in line

945
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,480
we have to think broadly and in those

946
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,000
instances with their family

947
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:24,399
can help it exist and it's in a position

948
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,440
to help

949
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,200
we need to take advantage of that won't

950
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,559
always be the case may not

951
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:31,120
be the case most of the time but where

952
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,840
it is

953
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,919
it could be a very effective means to

954
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,279
kind of help the people

955
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,399
kind of get get the help they need yeah

956
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,919
i mean there's stories out of my

957
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,760
community where they've reunited

958
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,120
daughter with mother

959
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,960
where mother didn't know had didn't know

960
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,640
where her daughter was for five years

961
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,880
and she wanted to find her couldn't find

962
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,039
her had no idea where she was

963
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:53,279
reunited them now she's living with her

964
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,159
mother

965
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,960
again so but you know it takes those

966
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:57,760
one-on-one

967
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,120
interactions which

968
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:03,120
takes a lot of resources but when you

969
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:04,240
consider the money

970
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:07,519
that they blow on building

971
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,960
housing and so on i mean

972
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,200
if it will focus in the right direction

973
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,799
and one thing we keep focusing on you

974
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:16,000
take all the money we're spending

975
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:17,919
cleaning up after the problem

976
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,320
and that's just managing the problem um

977
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:21,600
and you know we haven't talked about the

978
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,480
diseases

979
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:25,200
on the street and all of those issues

980
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,320
drug needles

981
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,240
i have a friend when he was living in

982
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:30,159
san francisco he wouldn't sit on the

983
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,200
part in the morning

984
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,279
because he read one too many stories of

985
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,559
somebody sitting

986
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,760
on a dirty needle and he just you know

987
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,640
you could say he was a little too

988
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:41,120
paranoid but the case is he wouldn't sit

989
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,320
down

990
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,480
that's not a way for people to live and

991
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:46,320
again there's all sorts of costs

992
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,120
involved

993
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,120
and we need to stop spending money

994
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,480
cleaning up the problem

995
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,279
and actually devote that towards pro if

996
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,799
we can empower the law enforcement so

997
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:55,919
they could actually

998
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,760
enforce the law and get the law

999
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:00,960
enforcement

1000
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,760
uh connected to agencies that could then

1001
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,919
help that person maybe it is reconnect

1002
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,360
with their family whatever the case may

1003
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:09,039
be you know law enforcement is

1004
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,559
constantly interacting

1005
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,399
with the community they're a great

1006
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:14,799
resource that we're just not using to

1007
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:15,200
its

1008
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:18,799
important area that we need to

1009
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,000
to leverage and just change the attitude

1010
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,840
that it's compassionate

1011
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,600
to allow people to sleep on the sidewalk

1012
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,120
what is compassionate

1013
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,360
about that to to have people sleeping

1014
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,200
like dogs out on a

1015
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,200
sidewalk and that that's supposed to be

1016
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,600
acceptable that that we're supposed to

1017
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,919
allow that i mean that's what that court

1018
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:40,000
is basically saying as opposed to

1019
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,919
recognizing wait a minute this is not

1020
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,600
humane to have people living on

1021
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,039
sidewalks it's not humane to them and

1022
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:47,120
it's not humane to the residents in the

1023
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,240
community

1024
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,279
to have this you know have to be

1025
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:53,360
walking by people with mental illnesses

1026
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:54,399
and addictions

1027
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,679
and uh often resorting to crime and

1028
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,880
and this is what you have to bring your

1029
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:00,880
children around i mean

1030
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,919
as i said you know i don't encourage

1031
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:05,840
anyone to visit venice right now because

1032
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:06,399
it is

1033
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,120
it's turned a beautiful community into

1034
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:13,360
something that the residents are

1035
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:16,240
are deserting they're leaving because

1036
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,600
it's not livable

1037
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,880
and that was one of the things all four

1038
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,679
of us could 100 agreed upon is that

1039
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,440
what we're doing now is not the humane

1040
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,200
solution and

1041
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,760
if we talk as if allowing someone to

1042
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,440
live on the streets be it

1043
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,120
is a humane way to deal with this

1044
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,760
problem and it absolutely is not

1045
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,600
uh and the economic damages are

1046
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,440
beginning to mount too

1047
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,120
and that's that that is real that's

1048
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,039
people businesses there and

1049
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,799
it could be a family business in venice

1050
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:44,480
its entire livelihood

1051
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:47,760
is uh being harmed because people aren't

1052
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,480
going there

1053
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,840
and now you have a family business

1054
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,519
people were living very well

1055
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,640
uh and now they're they're being

1056
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:57,360
significantly live having seen the pain

1057
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:58,159
uh

1058
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,600
that's that's not right either that's

1059
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,080
not humane either

1060
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,840
and you have major corporations now that

1061
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,200
are in

1062
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,919
in venice google being one i forget some

1063
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,440
of the other but major major names i

1064
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,119
think snapchat

1065
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:13,599
is there i don't know what those guys

1066
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,159
are doing

1067
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:17,040
about it you would think that they would

1068
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,560
be trying to implement or

1069
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,240
help with some solutions but i haven't

1070
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:21,919
heard of any

1071
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:26,000
got involved that would be great if they

1072
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:26,399
you know

1073
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,480
we're saying which is that

1074
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,320
the humane way of dealing with this

1075
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,960
problem is to get people housed to get

1076
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,079
them off the streets

1077
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,879
and to sustainably address it uh and and

1078
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:40,159
also to realize and this is something

1079
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:40,560
that

1080
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,520
all we've done is taken

1081
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,599
those who are homeless from mental

1082
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,440
illness or for substance abuse

1083
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,879
we've just taken them out of one

1084
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,800
institution and put them into another

1085
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,720
which is out of the streets of the jail

1086
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,240
and that's that's not a way to help

1087
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:58,160
people with mental illness or substance

1088
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,280
abuse issues

1089
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,720
so what was the change you always kind

1090
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,240
of hear about from the 80s that

1091
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,839
supposedly reagan

1092
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:06,240
changed as far as you know psychiatric

1093
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,440
awards and

1094
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,839
taking people there against their will

1095
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:11,280
what was the change that was made in the

1096
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,079
80s and

1097
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,000
and in what ways do you think it's maybe

1098
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,240
gone too far in the other direction

1099
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,839
well i think it's gone too far in the

1100
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,359
other direction and chris is the real

1101
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,560
expert on this

1102
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,960
is that we basically shut them down i

1103
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:24,079
mean if you have that

1104
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,440
division of one who flew over the

1105
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:27,760
cuckoo's nest right that type of

1106
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,200
institutional kind of abuse and so that

1107
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,160
concept you know the name asylum is so

1108
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:36,320
there's all that negative connotation of

1109
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:39,440
of uh imprisoning people in a awful

1110
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,400
situation

1111
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,960
and what that's in effect done is i

1112
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:44,079
think we're down to about

1113
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,240
um you know a fraction of the beds

1114
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:50,480
in uh health mental health institutions

1115
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,520
today

1116
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,440
than compared to where we had in the 80s

1117
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,119
so we've had um

1118
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,760
uh basically those people have been let

1119
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,520
out they haven't been treated

1120
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,839
um you know or they're not on a

1121
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,040
sustainable path

1122
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,440
but they're just basically led out uh

1123
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,520
and as opposed to actually being and

1124
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,280
they shouldn't be a surprise

1125
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:12,079
they're not equipped to take care of

1126
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:13,680
themselves they're not equipped to

1127
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,480
kind of become part of society and and

1128
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,240
build a home for themselves

1129
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,560
and so they end up on the streets uh

1130
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,800
they end up you know breaking the law

1131
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:25,119
going to jail interacting with cops

1132
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,079
often than

1133
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,119
getting involved in drugs and uh so

1134
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,760
they get in this vicious cycle and so

1135
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,760
they are being institutionalized

1136
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,040
that's the way chris puts it i think

1137
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,119
it's a it's a great image of

1138
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,720
they're just in jails not getting the

1139
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,240
help they need or they're living on the

1140
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,240
streets not getting the help they need

1141
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,119
um we're still paying the cost uh and

1142
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,760
this is not a humane way of dealing with

1143
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,440
people who you know people do have

1144
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,520
substance abuse problems people do have

1145
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,520
mental illness we need to face it and

1146
00:36:57,230 --> 00:36:55,520
ask ourselves some hard questions about

1147
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,240
how you actually help them

1148
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,560
[Music]

1149
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,480
and that's probably a bigger problem

1150
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,320
than ever mental illness

1151
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,359
and addiction certainly seems to be at

1152
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,480
highs in america right now

1153
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:11,119
and i usually point to i think the

1154
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,480
general breakdown

1155
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,640
of the nuclear family in america the

1156
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:16,400
nuclear family just is not

1157
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,839
today what it once was uh the number of

1158
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:21,200
kids being raised in single-parent

1159
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:22,400
households

1160
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,599
and you know if a child doesn't have a

1161
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:31,359
nice secure safe home with two loving

1162
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:32,320
parents

1163
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:36,240
the likelihood for later mental illness

1164
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,839
and addiction goes way up and i think

1165
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,800
that's what we're

1166
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:43,280
seeing with this you know the painkiller

1167
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,560
addiction

1168
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,000
the mental illness that we see that's

1169
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,160
causing homelessness and also you know i

1170
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,920
i think a cause of the rise in all these

1171
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,680
mass shootings and so on

1172
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,400
um so that's that's a real root problem

1173
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,440
i think

1174
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,040
right and and all of this is

1175
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,800
interrelated right i mean

1176
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,560
it's it's hard to know where did one of

1177
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:02,400
those problems start where does one of

1178
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,880
them stop

1179
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:05,119
they they just they bleed into one

1180
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,480
another so yeah and

1181
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:08,240
and we need to address all of those in

1182
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:09,440
the same way that we need to make

1183
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,640
housing affordable

1184
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:13,920
you know i mean it's it it's almost a

1185
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,560
root

1186
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,160
problem and if you don't get to that

1187
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:18,480
route you're not going to sustainably

1188
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,520
address it

1189
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,760
so let's talk before we wrap up about

1190
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,960
affordable housing because i know that's

1191
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:24,880
kind of your area of expertise

1192
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,800
um one thought i have about that

1193
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,040
is i i kind of put that lower on the

1194
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,040
list when i think of things as far as

1195
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,200
causing homelessness just because

1196
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,920
yes housing is expensive in certain

1197
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,560
areas

1198
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,880
in los angeles by the beaches obviously

1199
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,160
but you go just a bit

1200
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,520
east say to riverside and

1201
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,920
you're now in a very affordable housing

1202
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,960
area um

1203
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,680
you know comparable to most parts of the

1204
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:53,040
us so

1205
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:56,079
my point being that people who uh are

1206
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:59,359
of right and sound mind they recognize

1207
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,320
that gee you know if los angeles has

1208
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,839
become too expensive for me

1209
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,680
then i need to move somewhere where i

1210
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,359
can afford and they move

1211
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,280
east now maybe that means a longer

1212
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,760
commute or maybe it means they find

1213
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,240
a job closer to where they move to but

1214
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:16,800
they make the rational decision

1215
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,839
to live in a less expensive area

1216
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,079
these people that are homeless most of

1217
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:23,920
them are not making rational

1218
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,960
decisions right well and i think

1219
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,800
i i need to say this i think chris would

1220
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:30,400
agree with you and he would say

1221
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,280
absolutely

1222
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:33,040
you know i my perspective when you're

1223
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,400
saying it's comparable

1224
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:37,040
not really uh you know even riverside

1225
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,440
the

1226
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,079
housing affordability is not nearly what

1227
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,640
it is in many other areas

1228
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,480
um and but you can also get a smaller

1229
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:46,240
place you know so

1230
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,440
you know there's a lot there there are

1231
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,760
options for for less expensive housing

1232
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,040
if you're using your head absolutely but

1233
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,800
you're also more it's things are you're

1234
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,640
more vulnerable and i think that's the

1235
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,960
the relevant point is that if things go

1236
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:00,720
well you'll be just fine

1237
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:03,839
um if you lose your job right or if you

1238
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,319
have an

1239
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:06,720
adverse life event a health issue a

1240
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:07,520
divorce

1241
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:10,720
whatever the case may be you could start

1242
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,440
into

1243
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,640
uh a spiral a dead spiral um

1244
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,800
and you just you're more vulnerable to

1245
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,200
that when the necessities

1246
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,319
cost that much more no i agree i mean

1247
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,839
it puts you yeah it puts you into that

1248
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,400
potential more likely but

1249
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,640
but but also again as i distinguish

1250
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,520
people of

1251
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,119
sound mind even if you're put in a

1252
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,800
situation where you you couldn't even

1253
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,079
afford the

1254
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,960
small apartment in riverside you would

1255
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:39,599
be reaching out to friends and family

1256
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,720
and shacking up with friends or family

1257
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:45,040
um if you sound mine i mean there's very

1258
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,319
few people that don't have

1259
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:48,560
any friends or any family that would

1260
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,950
you know i i think it's hard to be able

1261
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:55,680
to say

1262
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,599
you know you're saying across everyone

1263
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,520
even if that's 90 people that's in that

1264
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,280
situation you still have

1265
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:05,520
a small minority that may not have

1266
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,040
family to reach out to and

1267
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,440
i would say if you actually look at the

1268
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,040
surveys in terms of why

1269
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,079
somebody is homeless economic reasons

1270
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,240
are one of the primary drivers so you

1271
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,319
know as a share of the population right

1272
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:20,960
161 000 compared to 31 million

1273
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,560
you're talking about thank god a a small

1274
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,880
percentage so even if you're talking

1275
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,839
about

1276
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,680
you know 90 of people that would get

1277
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:31,040
into trouble they're going to have

1278
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,079
family 95

1279
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:35,920
99 you know you still have a vulnerable

1280
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:39,760
population that was put in that position

1281
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:42,560
because housing is unnecessarily

1282
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,520
expensive

1283
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,440
and and there are when you look at

1284
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:46,800
housing shortages

1285
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,599
uh there's a huge shortage of housing a

1286
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:50,960
huge backlog

1287
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:54,319
uh and so those costs those excessive

1288
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,040
costs

1289
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:57,359
that backlog of thousands of shortages

1290
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,079
uh

1291
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,119
they do create financial stresses and

1292
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,720
and i think when you look at

1293
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,640
kind of the population that's homeless

1294
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:06,400
there are people out there that have in

1295
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,040
effect

1296
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,200
been pushed over that edge you know i

1297
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,800
think i've come to the point in my

1298
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,599
research

1299
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:14,640
where i've said whether it's 10

1300
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,000
50 or 90 is not as important as

1301
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,599
those people need to be helped in a

1302
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,680
different manner than those

1303
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,960
who are on the street because of

1304
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,400
addiction and those who are on the

1305
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,359
street because

1306
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:27,599
of mental illness and we need to target

1307
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,400
the problem

1308
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:31,119
and the programs to address the causes

1309
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,839
of that

1310
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:34,160
individual's homelessness and that and

1311
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,960
that's why

1312
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:37,280
the nonprofits we think are so important

1313
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,160
they do that

1314
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,079
and though so if there's a small number

1315
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:42,000
that's from the economic if you're right

1316
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,640
right and there's

1317
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,480
very few then we won't need that many of

1318
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,160
those programs

1319
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,839
and but those who are there have the

1320
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,680
support to get them out and then put

1321
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,880
more resources

1322
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,880
um towards those who are mental uh

1323
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,560
illness yeah so

1324
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,560
and what is your proposed solution for

1325
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:58,880
more affordable housing

1326
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,920
well zoning regulation reform right we

1327
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,160
need more duplexes and triplexes

1328
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,880
uh on lots you know so we can expand the

1329
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,720
number get rid of rent control

1330
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,480
rent controllers i think i think it was

1331
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,000
thomas sol who said it was the greatest

1332
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,560
way to destroy a city other than bombing

1333
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,359
it was

1334
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:17,680
was through rent control uh so we need

1335
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,560
to get rid of that

1336
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:21,359
sql reform so that we could reduce the

1337
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,480
time to build

1338
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,800
i mean all of these uh proposals that

1339
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,400
would reduce the cost to build

1340
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,880
the environmental mandates and you know

1341
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,560
having to put a solar panel

1342
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:33,200
on a new house that has a thousand

1343
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,680
dollars

1344
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,599
you know those types of things build up

1345
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,079
so you could lower the cost to build

1346
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,480
and expand the supply and you could do

1347
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,599
it faster

1348
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,119
and that so now we're just often just

1349
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,200
simple econ 101

1350
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:47,040
right if the demand is exceeding the

1351
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,560
supply because of

1352
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:51,040
regulations remove those regulations

1353
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,480
expand that supply

1354
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,200
cost will come down yeah but when

1355
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,880
climate change

1356
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,280
is determined to be the number one as a

1357
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,480
existential threat

1358
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:03,200
and more important than homelessness

1359
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:03,599
right

1360
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:07,520
climate change is ahead of homelessness

1361
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,640
as far as importance to people running

1362
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,800
california

1363
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,960
so forget the idea of reducing

1364
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,000
regulations on

1365
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,119
on home building and

1366
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,119
i guess that is the battle that we have

1367
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,560
but uh

1368
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:25,119
and that's the problem you know i i i

1369
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,760
believe club

1370
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:28,319
climate change is is real it's happening

1371
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,880
but

1372
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,400
it's you know you've got to balance it

1373
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:32,319
against all the other things that are

1374
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,040
out there

1375
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,800
and i would say to a lot of homeless

1376
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,040
people you know i think

1377
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,880
there are other concerns that are more

1378
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:40,800
important and we're making it more

1379
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,359
difficult

1380
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:43,760
for them and you're right it is a policy

1381
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,400
trade-off

1382
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,920
and people are people what people are

1383
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,440
basically saying is

1384
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:49,920
that this regulation is worth your

1385
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,800
homelessness

1386
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,640
and that's a trade-off they're willing

1387
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,800
to make which to me i just

1388
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,440
i i find that difficult to swallow

1389
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,040
california thinks that we're gonna

1390
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:01,599
independently solve climate change in

1391
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:02,079
the world

1392
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:05,760
so here's the globe and here's

1393
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,880
california and somehow by us reducing

1394
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:10,480
our admissions by 10

1395
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:14,000
or whatever we're gonna end climate

1396
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,960
change

1397
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:17,200
mind you by the way california's

1398
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,640
emissions reductions

1399
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,480
have been less than the reductions

1400
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,839
you've seen nationally

1401
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,400
i don't think people recognize that a

1402
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,440
lot of that is because

1403
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,760
we keep ramping up solar power we keep

1404
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:29,280
ramping up wind power

1405
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,839
but we'll keep shutting down nuclear

1406
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:34,000
power and nuclear zero emissions so

1407
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,760
we're trading one low emission source

1408
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,839
for another making the grid less

1409
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,960
reliable

1410
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,119
but we're not work the emissions have

1411
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,119
fallen less in california

1412
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,599
than they have nationally when you look

1413
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,400
at the peak

1414
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,000
from 2007. wow and not to mention

1415
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,240
that i saw a study that said something

1416
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,920
like 15 to 20

1417
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:56,160
of california's pollution comes from

1418
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:57,200
china

1419
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:01,839
probably the biggest polluter in the

1420
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,960
world right yeah

1421
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,280
and a good percentage of california's

1422
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,040
pollution we get from china

1423
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:12,079
so and yet we just independently enact

1424
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,560
these

1425
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,079
shoot yourselves in the foot

1426
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:16,560
environmental policies without requiring

1427
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,150
no that that's right and you you have

1428
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,760
india that's still building lots of coal

1429
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,119
mines you have china

1430
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,520
still building lots of i'm sorry coal

1431
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:30,720
powered plants

1432
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,760
china building coal power plants so

1433
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:36,560
it is a very complex issue the bottom

1434
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,359
line

1435
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:40,319
is that the technology is not there yet

1436
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,920
and maybe if we can solve the battery

1437
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:42,960
storage issue

1438
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:45,520
and we can solve this shortage of

1439
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:46,720
minerals that's something people don't

1440
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,520
talk about

1441
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,440
but right now the available supply of

1442
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:50,880
the rare earth element

1443
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:54,000
isn't anywhere close to i just saw the

1444
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,520
statistic today

1445
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,480
we need in order to just electrify the

1446
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,760
federal government's

1447
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,599
fleet of cars which is something biden

1448
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,599
wants to do the u.s needs to

1449
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:05,839
increase its output of rare earth

1450
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:06,640
elements

1451
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,760
12 times 12-fold increase in the amount

1452
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,599
of earth elements that we

1453
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,680
that we are currently um bringing out of

1454
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,960
the ground which mind you

1455
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:16,480
environmentalists won't let you do

1456
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:17,119
because

1457
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,960
it's dirty mining we can't electrify the

1458
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,960
the car fleet or we'll have to get it

1459
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,319
from china

1460
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:26,880
well the chinese won't sell it anymore

1461
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,760
they're hoarding it

1462
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,760
so there's a there's a coming shortage

1463
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,119
that's one of the things they don't talk

1464
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:32,800
about but there's a coming

1465
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,599
shortage of the rare earth elements that

1466
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,800
you need

1467
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,640
for electric batteries by the way for

1468
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,079
your for your smartphones

1469
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,480
for your windmills for your solar panels

1470
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:44,400
we're off of homelessness now but

1471
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,359
you know when you talk about the

1472
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,800
trade-off we're saying we're going to

1473
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,319
make someone homeless

1474
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,440
to do a policy which we can't do yeah

1475
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,960
and to me that's part of the problem and

1476
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,559
by the way you're an economist have you

1477
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:56,160
ever seen a study

1478
00:48:02,950 --> 00:47:59,920
on the benefits of climate change

1479
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:02,960
the benefits of the world being one

1480
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:05,760
two degrees warmer than it is today

1481
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,720
because

1482
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,319
i'm sure there's negatives to it and

1483
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:09,839
there's positive positives but i never

1484
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:12,800
hear about the positives

1485
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,839
no i i i don't either and i try to stick

1486
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:17,839
to the economics not the science so

1487
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,720
i'll you know i i leave that to others

1488
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:22,480
yeah well i mean for instance i i know

1489
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:22,960
that

1490
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:26,079
there's some uh uh trade routes in the

1491
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,119
north that become

1492
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:29,040
available that makes it a hell of a lot

1493
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:30,559
more efficient to to

1494
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,920
to have goods go through balancing

1495
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,760
pass very short right right yeah this

1496
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:37,040
suddenly becomes available

1497
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,400
so yeah how much how many billions of

1498
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:42,079
dollars in economic benefit does that

1499
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:43,440
provide the world

1500
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,720
uh not to mention a whole other you know

1501
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,720
in general it seems to me people think

1502
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,160
they complain about the cold more than

1503
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:51,599
they complain about the heat it seems to

1504
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:51,920
me

1505
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,119
writes about and if you've seen his work

1506
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:56,880
where he'll talk about

1507
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,160
um cold is a

1508
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:03,359
bigger killer than extreme heat and so

1509
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,640
he talks about that you know

1510
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,280
using the the trade-off and you know he

1511
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,640
gets into that and i think

1512
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,920
i'm pretty certain you find that this is

1513
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:12,079
still a net negative from global warming

1514
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,680
but it's not nearly

1515
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,920
um the negative it's it's not the end of

1516
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,800
the world

1517
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,319
yeah he says it's like the equivalent

1518
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:19,839
two or three percent of

1519
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,800
global gdp which is a bad recession but

1520
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,240
it's not the end of the world

1521
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,160
uh and and then again that's the the

1522
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,839
point that there are

1523
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,359
benefits there are costs it looks like

1524
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,079
their costs are negative on net

1525
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,839
but it's not the end of the world so we

1526
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,359
need to uh

1527
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:38,079
act responsibly and even if it were you

1528
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,480
never

1529
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,319
hear people say the building's on fire

1530
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,520
so you should run around

1531
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,440
panic and scream you know you need to

1532
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,960
have a an intelligent

1533
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:47,119
kind of way of dealing with it yeah well

1534
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,400
and i'll just wrap

1535
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,760
with this since we're jumping around is

1536
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:51,520
the same thing you see it with covid

1537
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,800
is that you hear the benefits of

1538
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,720
a lockdown as far as it keeping the

1539
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,000
coveted numbers down and so on

1540
00:50:01,030 --> 00:50:00,240
but nowhere in this analysis when we

1541
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:01,040
look about

1542
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,400
look at what the benefits would be of a

1543
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,559
lockdown do we see the detriments

1544
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,640
of a lockdown there's you know it's all

1545
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:08,319
about listening to the doctors listening

1546
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,440
to the scientists

1547
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:12,079
but what about listen to the economists

1548
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,559
and

1549
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,040
all the detrimental effects of a

1550
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:16,640
lockdown and then you just have to

1551
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,440
balance

1552
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,520
those two so okay you're going to save a

1553
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,119
few more lives but you're going to cost

1554
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,440
lives here and cost long-term this and

1555
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,400
long-term this

1556
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,640
we don't see any balancing at all right

1557
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,240
well there's a famous quote right there

1558
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,559
are no solutions only trade-offs

1559
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,480
thank you again to wayne weingarten you

1560
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,599
can go to amazon

1561
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,240
and get his book no way home the crisis

1562
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,319
of homelessness and how to fix it

1563
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,800
also you can check out his work at the

1564
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:41,920
pacific research

1565
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,559
institute website thank you to our

1566
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,920
producer michael parker thank you all

1567
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,440
for listening we'll be back with another

1568
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:48,880
episode

1569
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,240
soon of the hidden tree show

1570
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,680
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1571
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:57,440
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1572
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,040
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1573
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:03,200
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1574
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